thunderbird e gmail/IMAP

Giusto per poter dire che ho solo perso tempo col mio userstyle di ieri l'altro, sto cominciando ad usare l'uccello del tuono per leggere la posta, e sfruttare così il nuovo e sfavillante servizio IMAP di gmail.

...continua

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I vantaggi sono che finalmente posso spedire mail certificate, ma soprattutto che posso re-impostare un singolo messaggio, come da leggere, invece che tutta la conversazione con cui gmail raggruppa le email!

In realtà l'idea di raggruppare le mail in conversazioni (h)a(veva) i suoi vantaggi: thread lunghissimi, in termini di numero di email, su thunderbird tendono a occupare tutta la lista di mail, riducendo enormemente il numero di thread che si riesce ad avere sott'occhio. Esiste, certo, l'opzione di raggruppare le mail per subject, ma in tal caso si è obbligati a mantenere l'ordine cronologico (invertito!!!) dei thread... a meno del trucchetto da nerd:

• Edit → Preferences → Advanced → General → Config Editor...
• nel campo filter, cercate
  mailnews.thread_pane_column_unthreads
  e settatelo a falso

et voilà: potete ordinare le mail in base alla vostra colonna preferita senza perdere i raggruppamenti in thread! E se volete comprimere o espandere tutti i thread, basta premere rispettivamente \ (backslash) o * (star). Bello, eh? Meglio che con gmail! Certo, gmail raggruppava nelle conversazioni sia le mail ricevuto che quelle spedite, per fare la stessa cosa in thunderbird bisognerebbe andare in All Mail, ma a quel punto l'enorme quantità di messaggi rallenta un po' tutto, e inoltre se uno aveva archiviato dei thread era perchè non ce li voleva avere più fra i piedi... vabbe'.

Anche in thunderbird, come in gmail, manca la possibilità di poter gestire autonomamente i raggruppamenti in conversazione (aggiungere/togliere mail, separare/unire/creare conversazioni...), una limitazione piuttosto forte se paragonata allo sforzo necessario, immagino, per essere implementata. Forse smanettando con qualcosa del genere, magari si riesce a farlo "a mano", chissà...

Uno dei problemi che temevo — il download delle migliaia e migliaia di mail archiviate (nel senso di google) — si risolve semplicemente non scaricando tutte le mail ma solo le intestazioni (che è la cosa impostata di default: per scaricare il corpo di tutti i messaggi bisogna impostare la cartella per l'uso offline negli account settings): in questo modo è possibile fare ricerche con thunderbird almeno nei campi mittente/destinatario/oggetto.

Insomma, devo ancora abituarmi un po' al cambiamento [›››](sto invecchiando, eh?)[‹‹‹] e credo che mi capiterà ancora di accedere alla posta via web per le ricerche estese (e nelle chat), ma credo che tornerò volentieri ad una desktop application...

foXmarks!

I think I found the solution. Ok, not to the whole problem, but at least to the bookmarks issue. And the solution is another Firefox extension (add-on), and it is named Foxmarks.

Its features are much the same of Google Browser Sync (i.e. it's not a backup- but a sync-mechanism) and Bookmarks Online (i.e. it works)... together! No, it's even better, since, other than some additional features, I found it also solves my Sage to-be-read problem! And this is by far the more valuable feature for me! It solve the problem because, I found, Sage store the "visited" info into a crypted string inside the Description field of the bookmark properties: so, taking synchronized this string like Foxmarks do is all I need!

The other features (maybe you are more interested in) are the following.

The synchronization is (could be) automatic (i.e. periodic) in the background (you have not to remembr to sync when you think you will change PC). Moreover, the synchronization mechanism needs not to be logged on only once (like Google Browser Sync does instead). So you could make Foxmarks synchronize bookmarks for more than a computer in real time (or so...): as you can read from the FAQ, bookmark changes you make are typically made available to other computers within 5 minutes, and those changes are automatically synchronized into every other computer within 60 minutes, or sooner if you synchronize manually.

Foxmarks also lets you access your bookmarks from any computer anytime via my.foxmarks.com, so that you can even access your bookmarks from any internet cafe' or any friend's computer!

So, for me (and for the bookmarks issue only, alas...) this solve the problem of join together the ubiquity-feature of webapps, with the even-offline- and right-in-my-hands- features of local apps!

 

PS

Edo, Foxmarks also has a feature for you: you can make it to use your own server! Enjoy!

web- vs desktop- application

No, I'm not thinking about Google Docs & Spreadsheets or even web-OSs. I'm thinking about pretty simpler things such e-mails, bookmarks, notepads...

The problem is when you have/want to use two or more computers (exempli gratia desktop/laptop) and feel at home (sync!) with both of them.

to be continued...

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Yes, gmail is fine, but what about offline e-mail reading? Making it available the IMAP protocol would be great. But it seems there are technical- or will-hurdles since it is the most requested feature for gmail and nevertheless there are no clues that it will be introduced... Actually it's now a long time since I start using gmail, but still I can not feel myself satisfied.

For scratch notes, I just started to use Google Notebook, but, again, there is the offline problem. So I think I will resort to some poor-man text-file scratches to be kept sync with Unison.

Concerning bookmarks, I tried Google Browser Sync (yes, always and ever Google...), but I'm unable to make it work correctly with bookmarks: it starts syncing but then it pipes up that I exploited too much traffic and then stop syncing (maybe I have too much bookmarks, grown day by day by means of a store'n'forget mechanism...). So I had to resort to specific tools such the Bookmarks online Firefox extension, but one has to remember to manually upload/download... and in the right time-order! In fact, if you forget to upload your changes from one PC just before going to use the other, you are going to be hoist with your own petard. And twice: you can not both enjoy the last changes (since they're not in the web-service database) nor upload new changes (otherwise, when you are supposed to download them on the first PC, you will lose the change made on that first PC). Thankfully, I mainly use desktop-PC during the week, at work, and laptop during w-e, at home, so it is supposed to be easy to remember of uploading/downloading at the right time...

Moreover, my bookmarks have an additional issue, since they also keep the feeds for my Sage rss reader (absolutely the best ever feed-reader, IMHO). When I switch to my laptop after a week on my PC and I check my feeds, mostly all of them will be shown as "to be read" even if I already read them on the PC. I was supposed to solve this problem with Google Browser Sync, since it can sync also the history of the browser. However, even if the single piece of news of each site is correctly recognized to be "visited", the site itself continues to be shown as "unread".

Yes, really a big mess. :(